4/21/09

Hey, Joe! Where Ya Goin'...

With That Smoking Gun In Your Hand?
AN SUSTEREN: Even if it's -- first of all, is waterboarding torture?

LIEBERMAN: Well, I take a minority position on this. Most people think it's definitely torture. The truth is, it has mostly a psychological impact on people. It's a terrible thing to do...

Why do I think it was a mistake to give it out? I wasn't necessary. It just helps our enemies. It doesn't really help us.

Again, the president can decide what tactics he wants the CIA or the military to use on people we capture, suspects of terrorism. But to let our enemies know what we are going to do or not do, that's not a good idea.

Bullshit, Joe!


The President of the United States of America is subject to every single law and treaty that every single other American citizen is subject to. If his decisions are not legal within the framework of the law then he should be tried and found guilty of the crimes.

And those of you that participated in engineering these decisions to carry out these crimes of torture and rendition and/or participated in the cover up of these crimes are accomplices and just as guilty as the CIA officers, contractors and soldiers and prison guards that did your dirty deeds.

And it is no longer some BS debate about whether or not it was torture.

It was torture.

  • There are guilty people in both political parties.

  • There are guilty people in the military, the CIA and many other government agencies.

  • There are guilty people on the civilian side.

  • And there are even guilty people in other countries.
And you will all be served your just desserts at the end of the criminal investigations.

The one and only way to ensure that this never happens again is to prosecute every single one of the criminals and to ensure that they all do their time in jail.

And moving forward is impossible without looking back.


And Obama, the media and others can stop lying to yourself about bullshit catchphrases of "enhanced interrogations." This was torture.

Clearly torture. There is no rose on your bloomin' piles of BS.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

In 2002 Nancy Pelosi and Sen Graham Fl were made aware of all methods used on interrogating terroists and raised no objections I assume you agree that they should be held just as accountable as everyone else.

Connecticut Man1 said...

If you have to ask that question I will assume you have not read the posts all over this Blog. Conservatives point fingers across the aisle and ignore the logs in their own eyes. I hold everyone on both sides accountable regardless of party and politics.

The fact that I may be a liberal does not change the fact that I have no party affiliation.

But I will just refer to these quotes from my own post that you are commenting on:

"It was torture.

* There are guilty people in both political parties.

* There are guilty people in the military, the CIA and many other government agencies.

* There are guilty people on the civilian side.

* And there are even guilty people in other countries.

And you will all be served your just desserts at the end of the criminal investigations."

IF they were aware of the crimes and did nothing to stop it they are as guilty as everyone in the bush administration that orchestrated this.

Connecticut Man1 said...

PS: Now that you have accused them provide the proof...

WOTN said...

CTMan: You have cast a wide net of allegations without demonstrating any substance for that.

Perhaps before you challenge others to provide proof, you should do so yourself.

Statements such as "you all will get your just desserts" demonstrates the kind of political based witchhunt that *must* be avoided. The Military does not tolerate criminals in its ranks. It has consistently demonstrated that when a criminal enters the ranks and commits crimes, it gives them a fair trial and sends them to their just punishment.

Thank you for using the Right to Free Speech provided you by the Men & Women of the US Military, at risk to their own lives. They have protected you from terrorists who would smile into the camera as they cut your throat with a dull knife. Thank you for reading of the Valor and Generosity of our Troops at the War On Terror News. If you keep reading, perhaps you will honor them for their Honorable Service.

Connecticut Man1 said...

"Thank you for using the Right to Free Speech provided you by the Men & Women of the US Military, at risk to their own lives."

You are welcome for my providing that your right to free speech. D'OH! Look at the sidebar Homer.

Connecticut Man1 said...

And just so you learn something you that you clearly do not understand about at all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403171.html?hpid=topnews

"The unintended consequence of a U.S. policy that provides for the torture of prisoners is that it could be used by our adversaries as justification for the torture of captured U.S. personnel," says the document, an unsigned two-page attachment to a memo by the military's Joint Personnel Recovery Agency. Parts of the attachment, obtained in full by The Washington Post, were quoted in a Senate report on harsh interrogation released this week.

It remains unclear whether the attachment reached high-ranking officials in the Bush administration. But the document offers the clearest evidence that has come to light so far that technical advisers on the harsh interrogation methods voiced early concerns about the effectiveness of applying severe physical or psychological pressure.

The document was included among July 2002 memorandums that described severe techniques used against Americans in past conflicts and the psychological effects of such treatment. JPRA ran the military program known as Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE), which trains pilots and others to resist hostile questioning.


It was torture. It was intended to be torture from the get go. And it is wrong.